This article deals with Bernhard Poerksen's interviews with Humberto R. Maturana and Francisco J. Varela on science and the humanities. In Poerksen's conversation with Maturana, they talk about the: (1) responsibility of the teacher; (2) listening to the listening; (3) perception and illusion; and (4) all human beings are equally intelligent. In Poerksen's conversation with Varela, they talk about: (1) the computational model of the mind; (2) the symbol and world; (3) the philosophical problem factory; (4) from necessity to possibility; (5) the theory of emergence; (6) security in insecurity; (7) an ethics of spontaneous goodness; and (8) postmodern biology. (Contains 5 notes.)