This article presents a conversation between the authors, James Marriott and Suzi Gablik. Marriott is a founding member and co-director of PLATFORM, a London-based, award-winning organization focused on social and ecological justice. Gablik is the author of "The Reenchantment of Art," "Conversations Before the End of Time," and "Living the Magical Life." In this conversation, which took place in Blacksburg, Virginia, on April 16, 2006, Marriott and Gablik talk about tipping points and sinking ships.