Purpose: This paper aims to provide an overview of the history, the present and the future or the learning organization as a concept and a practical approach, from the perspective of Professor John Burgoyne. Design/methodology/approach: This conversation piece follows the development of the concept from its early days into the current debates and the possible directions for future development. Findings: The interview highlights an interesting path the learning organization took in the UK, stemming from a drive for more and better management education, and evolving into a systemic view on various aspects of organizational capabilities, concerned primarily with organizational longevity and adaptability. The thinking behind Pedler, Burgoyne and Boydell's model of a learning company is discussed. Several "hot" topics are identified, either overlooked in the past, or becoming more relevant in the modern world, precipitated by technological and societal changes. Originality/value: The interview provides an insight into the thinking of one of the best known authors in the field. Understanding of the concept's evolution path, as well as the influences from other fields such as innovation and CSR, could be useful for practitioners and academics working in the subject area, wishing to identify promising future directions for research and practice.