The author presents an interview he conducted with Liu Wen (an alias), a teacher suspected of having participated in a scam at Haozhou Normal Junior College, located in the northern part of Anhui province. The dialog centered around the purchase of theses during applications for professional titles. All of the teachers at Haozhou who bought theses at the time were mainstay teachers at the school, and they are still in the first line of teaching work today. [This article was translated by Ted Wang.]