The Honorable Judge Nathaniel Jones litigated the "Milliken v. Bradley I" case before the U.S. District Court and Supreme Court in 1971 and 1974. Nathaniel Jones was born May 12, 1926 in Youngstown, Ohio, and served as the general counsel for the NAACP from 1969-1979. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter nominated Nathaniel Jones to the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, and at eighty-seven years of age, he still serves as a retired senior judge for the court. Our conversation with Judge Jones entails his reflections about "Milliken" 40 years later, origins of his involvement in the case, and suggestions for school desegregation advocates in the 21st century. We organized our conversation around topical areas about the case, which reflect our interview questions. Our discussion with Judge Jones occurred on March 22, 2014 in Cincinnati, Ohio. This conversation concludes with Nathaniel Jones discussing what Detroit and other urban schools district could potentially be like if Milliken would have been upheld by the Supreme Court.